Hey guys,
I would like to be able to sort by link value, but as it stands right now...it is seriously flawed. A link on a pr0 page that is on a site that has a pr9 has value, significant value, definitely not 0 value. That is, a pr0 link on a site that is a pr0, simply is not the same as the 1st example that I brought up. Do you agree with me? Would you consider a slightly more complex formula...factoring the pr of the domain? Please advise, thank you.

Hi Yacobotz,

My understanding is that PR is taken into account in the "link value" formula already and actually that the formula is very based around PR (from other posts I have read here relating to how link value is calculated - but link-assistant will have to clarify this for you).

But do remember that it is possible a "webpage" on a site where the "mainpage" has a PR = 9, to have zero PR (and zero value as well).
For example if someone sets a webpage to be "no follow" via all internal links (not talking about external backlinks as I am sure you are aware) or to no index, no archive, no follow for meta / xml sitemap, then these pages should never be indexed and will have zero PR.
This is often done when people use approaches to SEO such as "sculpting" (e.g. see this post to understand the concept a bit more if you like:- http://www.seobook.com/robots-txt-vs-re ... s-nofollow ).

Also do remember pagerank is not everything and that many SEOs actually consider it virtually worthless and would argue that it shouldn't even be taken into account... I personally think it is a good "indicator" of how pages will be treated by google, so has some value (so use your own judgement as well.. but generally any page which is indexed by search engines has some value and which has more value, depends on many factors and not just PR as you know).

I hope comments are useful...

Cheers - Asiaplay

yacobotz

Right now we don't take the domain PR into account as it is not that relevant. I mean it's relevant but only in a sense that the actual domain's subpage that links to you will get some PR from the high-PR domain eventually and only then the very link to you will "weigh" more. In fat, if you have any suggestions on how this can be implemented in a formula we would be happy to take it into account...

In general - we are going to update the link value formula in SEO SpyGlass to include many other useful parameters into it, such as domain age. So improvements will happen soon

Asiaplay, thanks for the nice reply!

Here's the thing Andrew: Linkassistant is not taking in to account the PR of the Domain. If my link is on a PR0 page, but the site home page/domain is a PR9...Linkassistant will show the "link value" at 0-Period! I guarantee you that when my link on a PR0 page (Domain PR9) has a do-follow and that page gets indexed by G., that link has significant value, a lot more so then if it were on a site that had a domain PR0...and all other things being equal.
I read seobook, seomoz, searchengineland, stomper guy's, occam's razor and a few others, regularly. If you know Rand over at seomoz, he's a pretty sharp cat and I guarantee you that he would tell you that hr would concur with what it is I'm trying to say.
Call it "link neighborhood" or what you will, the bottom line is PR 6, 7, 8, or 9's for example, have that G. "trust", "authority", whatever you want to call it....and a link from an interior page on one of these sites carries more "luv" than a link on the interior page of a PR0, 1, whatever, all other things being equal, that is. I regularly get interior DO-FOLLOW links on high PR sites, when I do this, sometimes it creates that new page for me on the fly...like say a "profile" set up with a signature or a blog, whatever. So, this is a brand new page. Sometimes G. indexes that page in a matter of an hour or two (I set up G. alerts, so I get notified when the page gets indexed). Set up 2 identical pages > go get 20 links from crappy PR-0 article directories going to one > on the 2nd one > go get 20 PR-0 links on high PR Domains. Then look at which page significantly outranks the other, then you would understand my point. Domain PR is significant and anybody that tests for "link quality/juice" as much as one can, anyway......would tell you that my point is valid.
Linky,
Sorry, I did not see your response.
Well, you can get the gist of what I am saying from the above. I would only add that in response to what I think your saying is this: As you can ascertain from above....I would disagree with you in that the page on the high PR domain, even if it stays at a PR-0, it is still significantly more beneficial than a PR0 from a PR-0,1, 2 etc. domain, site. You agreeing with me would preclude the implementation of this factor into your "link value" formula. While I fancy myself a pretty savvy seo guy for only having got in to e-commerce about 6 months ago, I admittedly, am not qualified to even begin to tell you exactly how much weight should be given to this parameter. I can only say that in between running my website, I try to study the seo material that is put out by the most respected seo company's in the biz. Obviously even they can't say exactly how significant of factor this is...in G.'s algo. That being said, I can pass on a couple "informal" case studies: My site live like two months ago > 1st couple weeks I get 30 or 40 "anchor text" links indexed, from unique articles that went out and ended up on pretty much all pr-0 article directories or blogs. > "little movement" in my initial 82 keyword list that I have chosen to start with.
Move forward to about the last 10 days: Got approx 100 links on high pr sites (pr5, 6, 7, 8, 9's) most of those pages were created on the fly, as I registered>did profile>got anchor text links> set up my G. alerts to see when pages get indexed> Now, G. has only found roughly 30 or so of those pages over the last week. However, my k.w.'s list has had what I think is some pretty "strong movement" . My #1 key word has been steadily moving up with the others and I am currently at #5 on the 1st page for that k.w.
My "visibility has gone from roughly 2 or 3% to about 22% today, for that k.w. list. Those were my only two campaigns and my site is newer so it's not like I have 1000 links and a year old site. I understand that there is nothing scientific about this, but sometimes we have to go on our perception of the results and my perception is that those "trusted" sites that I got the pr0 links from, significantly affected my rankings. Additionally, I have spoken with others that have started new sites and specifically used the method of getting high pr domain,pr0 page...links. After years in the business and many, many sites, they are very convinced also...that G. is giving these types of links more weight. So, that's it guys, for what it's worth.
And thanks for responding, Linky and Andrew,
Doug

Hi Doug,

Sounds like you are right that they don't get included in the formula.
Also linky has confirmed that the formula could (and apparently will) be updated sometime soon.

You are getting positive results with the method you are taking, so continue onwards with that (as it could be that those pages are adding more link value than the formula shows they will, since they are set to follow and index - I agree... also logically there is nothing to loose in having some relevant extra links really ).
But you know this already

Also I can now see you had already knew what I posted, so you had already jumped past that point (we read the same forums it seems ) - apologies I raised what you already knew (was just trying to add to discussion)

Really nice to see someone thinking about the way things are done and getting improvements on link-assistants to do list.

Thanks again and cheers, Asiaplay